Legislature(2001 - 2002)

05/01/2002 01:55 PM House FIN

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SENATE BILL NO. 115                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     An Act extending  the termination date of  the Board of                                                                    
     Storage Tank Assistance.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
HEATHER BRAKES, STAFF, SENATOR  GENE THERRIAULT, stated that                                                                    
under  AS  46.03.360,  the  State   Board  of  Storage  Tank                                                                    
Assistance plays  an integral  role in  promoting compliance                                                                    
throughout  the  State  of Alaska  with  State  and  federal                                                                    
regulations   related   to    installation   and   operation                                                                    
specifications  for underground  storage  tanks  as well  as                                                                    
during the cleanup process when  leaks and spills occur.  By                                                                    
doing  so,   the  Board  is  instrumental   in  safeguarding                                                                    
underground  drinking  water  supplies  from  pollution  and                                                                    
therefore protecting the public's health.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Brakes  pointed  out  that   the  Board  membership  is                                                                    
prescribed by statute and seats  seven members. The board is                                                                    
charged with:                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
      Adopting regulations used by the Department of                                                                         
     Environmental Conservation  in determining  which costs                                                                    
     are eligible for financial assistance;                                                                                     
   Adopting regulations to be used by the Department to                                                                      
     prioritize applications for financial assistance;                                                                          
 Approving       regulations      specifying     allowable                                                                   
     technologies for  testing, containment and  cleanup, or                                                                    
     corrective  action  prior  to   being  adopted  by  the                                                                    
     department; and                                                                                                            
   Reviewing regulations proposed by the Department that                                                                     
     set a  standard for  the level  of containment  that is                                                                    
     allowed to remain in soil  or groundwater after cleanup                                                                    
     of  a release  from or  associated with  an underground                                                                    
     storage tank.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Brakes continued, the board  has the authority to settle                                                                    
disputes for  financial assistance  and may  issue decisions                                                                    
that are binding  on the owner, operator,  and Department of                                                                    
Environmental Conservation.   The board is  also tasked with                                                                    
mediating  disputes   between  owners,  operators   and  the                                                                    
Department  in regard  to cleanup  plans.  In addition,  the                                                                    
board  may also  hear  disputes and  grievances relating  to                                                                    
delays  or requirements  associated  with cleanup  decisions                                                                    
issued by the Department of Environmental Conservation.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Brakes advised  that the  State Board  of Storage  Tank                                                                    
Assistance  was  set  to  expire  June  30,  2001  under  AS                                                                    
44.66.010(18),  Legislative Oversight.   If  the Legislature                                                                    
does not  act to extend the  Board, it will have  until June                                                                    
30, 2002 to  administratively conclude its affairs.   SB 115                                                                    
extends the Board for two years until June 30, 2003.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
JOHN  BARNETT, EXECUTIVE  DIRECTOR, STATE  BOARD OF  STORAGE                                                                    
TANK ASSISTANCE,  ANCHORAGE, offered to answer  questions of                                                                    
the Committee.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
GARY  WEBER,  (TESTIFIED  VIA  TELECONFERENCE),  UNDERGROUND                                                                    
TANK  ASSOCIATION,  MAT-SU,  testified  in  support  of  the                                                                    
legislation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Croft  asked if  the State  was already  in a                                                                    
"wind-down" as it  would expire June 2001.  He  asked why it                                                                    
did not expire in 2003 or forward in 2006.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
PAT DAVIDSON,  DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF LEGISLATIVE  BUDGET AND                                                                    
AUDIT,  explained that  the  Division  of Legislative  Audit                                                                    
recommended a two-year extension because  of a change in the                                                                    
financing  which  could impact  how  long  the board  should                                                                    
exist.    It  looks  like  the  Board  will  be  needed  for                                                                    
additional two years.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Foster  MOVED  to   report  SB  115  out  of                                                                    
Committee  with  individual  recommendations  and  with  the                                                                    
accompanying fiscal note.  There  being NO OBJECTION, it was                                                                    
so ordered.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SB  115 was  reported  out  of Committee  with  a "do  pass"                                                                    
recommendation and with fiscal note  #2 by the Department of                                                                    
Environmental Conservation.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
#SB153                                                                                                                        
CS FOR SENATE BILL NO. 153(FIN)                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     An Act replacing the storage  tank assistance fund with                                                                    
     the underground  storage tank  revolving loan  fund and                                                                    
     relating  to that  revolving loan  fund; repealing  the                                                                    
     tank  cleanup  program  and   the  tank  upgrading  and                                                                    
     closure program; and providing for an effective date.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
ANNETTE KREITZER,  STAFF, SENATOR LOREN LEMAN,  testified in                                                                    
support of  CS SB 153 (FIN).   She noted that  the owners of                                                                    
underground storage  tanks had  until December 22,  1998, to                                                                    
either upgrade  or close their underground  storage tanks in                                                                    
response   to    a   nationwide   concern    over   possible                                                                    
contamination  of drinking  water  from leaking  underground                                                                    
storage tanks.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
The Alaska  Legislature responded to the  federal mandate by                                                                    
offering grants  and loans to owners  of underground storage                                                                    
tanks to help  offset the costs of the  new requirements. To                                                                    
date, $38.9  million dollars has  been appropriated  for the                                                                    
upgrade,   closure  and   cleanup  grants   and  loans   for                                                                    
underground  storage   tanks.    She  noted   that  all  the                                                                    
applications  for   grant  assistance  under   the  Upgrade,                                                                    
Closure and Cleanup  programs were in.  There can  be no new                                                                    
applicants.   The Department and  the Board of  Storage Tank                                                                    
Assistance  has  ranked  the  applicants  according  to  the                                                                    
changes made by SB 128.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Kreitzer pointed  out that  CS  SB 153  (FIN) ends  the                                                                    
upgrade and closure grant program  by June 30, 2002, and the                                                                    
tank cleanup  grant program by  June 30, 2004,  after nearly                                                                    
$49  million  dollars  in   assistance  to  the  underground                                                                    
storage  tank  owners.   The  legislation  would retain  the                                                                    
cleanup  loan program  and changes  it to  a revolving  loan                                                                    
program.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Kreitzer  added that the revolving  loan program retains                                                                    
the  current   test  of  self-insurance,   which  guarantees                                                                    
assistance to the "mom &  pop" companies that the grants and                                                                    
loans   were  intended   to  assist,   rather  than   larger                                                                    
companies.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Kreitzer  advised that the  balance in the  storage tank                                                                    
assistance fund on  the effective date of the  bill could be                                                                    
transferred   to    the   revolving   loan   fund.       The                                                                    
capitalization,  with   all  repayments  of   principal  and                                                                    
interest on  the loans, income  earned on money in  the fund                                                                    
and  money  appropriated  to the  fund,  would  support  the                                                                    
revolving loan fund.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Kreitzer provided a highlight  of the sectional analysis                                                                    
and effective date of each section.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Croft  questioned  the large  drop  from  $3                                                                    
million to $35 thousand dollars.   He inquired if that meant                                                                    
the  State had  been  providing grants  to corporations  who                                                                    
should not have been receiving them.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Kreitzer  responded  that would  have  been  the  case,                                                                    
however,   through  the   regulations,  the   Department  of                                                                    
Environmental  Conservation  was  able to  begin  the  grant                                                                    
giving  process  only  to  the "mom  and  pop"  gas  station                                                                    
owners.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Croft  pointed out  that  there  was a  zero                                                                    
fiscal  note attached  because now  the  State was  changing                                                                    
from a grant and loan program to a low interest zero note.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Kreitzer interjected  that there are two  programs.  One                                                                    
is a  zero interest loan and  the other is 4%  interest rate                                                                    
for  a  $25,000 loan.    She  recommended that  Mr.  Barnett                                                                    
clarify the information.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
JOHN  BARNETT, EXECUTIVE  DIRECTOR, STATE  BOARD OF  STORAGE                                                                    
TANK  ASSISTANCE, ANCHORAGE,  explained that  there are  two                                                                    
loan packages  within the existing  program.  One is  10% of                                                                    
the  total cost  to a  maximum  of $25,000  dollars.   Those                                                                    
loans are  provided at a  zero percent interest.   The other                                                                    
program is  a loan program and  is one half point  above the                                                                    
discounted rate.   Those loans  are issued for a  maximum of                                                                    
$250,000 dollars for clean-up.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Barnett applaued  the sponsor  for the  bill and  noted                                                                    
that  it was  supported fully  by the  board.   He explained                                                                    
what the bill would accomplish:                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
  It would finalize the grant program and wrap it up.                                                                        
       It would establish criteria to prevent larger                                                                         
     companies from  taking advantage  of the  new revolving                                                                    
     loan  program  by  setting some  standards  that  would                                                                    
     prevent large-scale, small  corporations from obtaining                                                                    
     low  interest loans.   He  pointed out  that there  are                                                                    
     about 51 companies looking for loans.                                                                                      
   It would provide an opportunity for a funding source                                                                      
     for the board of storage tank assistance to actually                                                                       
     come out of the revolving loan fund as opposed to                                                                          
     other funding sources.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Kreitzer  addressed the  fiscal note.   She  pointed out                                                                    
that  it  would   pay  for  the  costs   from  storage  tank                                                                    
assistance  out of  the  revolving loan  fund.   The  fiscal                                                                    
note, which  accompanies SB 115,  would need to  be resolved                                                                    
in Conference Committee, should SB 153 pass.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GARY  WEBER,  (TESTIFIED  VIA  TELECONFERENCE),  UNDERGROUND                                                                    
TANK  ASSOCIATION,  MAT-SU,  testified  in  support  of  the                                                                    
legislation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Foster  MOVED to report  CS SB 153  (FIN) out                                                                    
of Committee  with individual  recommendations and  with the                                                                    
accompanying fiscal note.  There  being NO OBJECTION, it was                                                                    
so ordered.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CS SB  153 (FIN) was  reported out  of Committee with  a "do                                                                    
pass"  recommendation  and  with   fiscal  note  #2  by  the                                                                    
Department of Environmental Conservation.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
#SB243                                                                                                                        
CS FOR SENATE BILL NO. 243(FIN)                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     An Act extending the termination date of the Board of                                                                      
     Chiropractic Examiners; and relating to chiropractors.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
HEATHER  BRAKES, STAFF,  SENATOR GENE  THERRIAULT, explained                                                                    
that  under AS  08.20.010, the  State Board  of Chiropractic                                                                    
Examiners  regulates  qualified  professionals  by  ensuring                                                                    
that the  requirements laid  out for  licensure are  met and                                                                    
adhered  to.    The  Board   was  established  in  1949  and                                                                    
currently  regulates  208  chiropractors  in  the  State  of                                                                    
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Brakes  noted that  the Board  consists of  five members                                                                    
appointed by the  Governor.  Four members  shall be licensed                                                                    
chiropractic physicians who have  practiced in Alaska for no                                                                    
less  than two  years. The  fifth member  shall be  a person                                                                    
with  no  direct  financial  interest  in  the  health  care                                                                    
industry.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Brakes  added  that the  regulation  and  licensing  of                                                                    
qualified  chiropractors continues  to safeguard  the public                                                                    
by promoting  competence and integrity of  those individuals                                                                    
who  represent themselves  as chiropractors  to the  public.                                                                    
The  Board  continues  to accomplish  that  by  establishing                                                                    
standards  for  licensed  professionals and  monitoring  the                                                                    
manner in which they practice.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
The State Board  of Chiropractic Examiners is  set to expire                                                                    
June 30,  2002 under  AS 08.03.0  10, "Termination  of State                                                                    
Boards and  Commissions".  If  the Legislature does  not act                                                                    
to extend  the Board,  they will have  one year,  until June                                                                    
30, 2003,  to administratively  conclude those affairs.   SB
243  would  extend the  Board  for  another four  years  and                                                                    
restore  the  Board's  statutory  authority  to  license  by                                                                    
credentials.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Foster  MOVED to report  CS SB 243  (FIN) out                                                                    
of Committee  with individual  recommendations and  with the                                                                    
accompanying fiscal note.  There  being NO OBJECTION, it was                                                                    
so ordered.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CS SB  243 (FIN) was  reported out  of Committee with  a "do                                                                    
pass"  recommendation  and  with   fiscal  note  #1  by  the                                                                    
Department of Community & Economic Development.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
#SB319                                                                                                                        
CS FOR SENATE BILL NO. 319(FIN)                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     An Act relating to shallow natural gas; and providing                                                                      
     for an effective date.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Williams  noted it  was not his  intent to  move SB
319 from Committee at this date.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DARWIN  PETERSON, STAFF,  SEANTOR JOHN  TORGERSON, explained                                                                    
that  shallow  gas  leasing was  originally  proposed  as  a                                                                    
program  that would  enable  exploration  and production  of                                                                    
shallow natural  gas deposits.   One of the features  of the                                                                    
program is  to encourage  a new  energy supply  to villages,                                                                    
mines,  and  other  rural  users.    The  program  is  fully                                                                    
operational with  over 100 leases  processed and  nearly 200                                                                    
more  pending.    The  program  has  become  a  vehicle  for                                                                    
commercial gas  development in  Fairbanks, Big  Delta, Matsu                                                                    
Valley, and  the lower Kenai  Peninsula.  He stated  that SB
319 was intended  to advance the program into  a more robust                                                                    
and viable commercial program.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Peterson noted that because  the program has become more                                                                    
commercial in  nature, increasing revenues  from application                                                                    
fees  and annual  rental  fees would  be  appropriate.   The                                                                    
program  involves neither  competitive bidding  nor requires                                                                    
bonus  bids.   However,  application  fees  for shallow  gas                                                                    
leases have been  increased from $500 to  $5,000 dollars and                                                                    
annual  rental fees  have been  increased from  $0.50 to  $1                                                                    
dollar  per  acre.    The increased  fees  are  designed  to                                                                    
increase revenue  and pay  for the  program costs,  while at                                                                    
the same time, not  discouraging parties of genuine interest                                                                    
and ability from developing shallow natural gas resources.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Peterson   pointed  out   that  the   requirement  that                                                                    
Department of Natural Resources  annually notify a lessee by                                                                    
certified mail of  rental due has been deleted.   Rent would                                                                    
automatically be  due on the  date determined by  the lease.                                                                    
Deadlines have proven to be  unworkable and do not recognize                                                                    
the work  required by  the Department  to prepare  leases in                                                                    
areas  that   are  populated  and  may   have  complex  land                                                                    
ownership patterns.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
The  limitation on  depth to  3,000 feet  has been  replaced                                                                    
with the requirement that some  portion of the field must be                                                                    
within  3,000 feet  of the  surface.   The  total amount  of                                                                    
acreage that may be held  by shallow natural gas lessees has                                                                    
been increased from 46,080 acres  to an aggregate of 100,000                                                                    
acres.   The acreage increase  reflects the fact  that large                                                                    
acreage may be necessary to a shallow gas program.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Peterson  added that the requirement  that the applicant                                                                    
conduct a  title search  would be  removed.   The Department                                                                    
routinely  conducts a  title search  for land  before leases                                                                    
are issued.  Additionally, there  are no title companies who                                                                    
will  conduct  a thorough  title  search  of the  subsurface                                                                    
estate  and  warranty  title.    The  changes  will  improve                                                                    
reservoir management  and increase  the value to  the lessee                                                                    
and the State.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Peterson  concluded  that the  new  bonding  provisions                                                                    
would  demonstrate  lessees  are  fiscally  responsible  and                                                                    
would help protect  surface owners.  The  lessee must secure                                                                    
the bond as  a precondition to obtaining the lease.   In the                                                                    
event that the  surface estate is owned by  a private party,                                                                    
an additional  bond may  be required if  the lessee  and the                                                                    
private party cannot reach an  agreement.  Lessees will have                                                                    
from  July 1,  2002 through  September 30,  2002 to  convert                                                                    
leases from the existing program to the new program.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative Whitaker  asked how  many committees  did the                                                                    
bill pass through.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Peterson replied  that SB  319 has  passed through  two                                                                    
committees  in the  Senate and  so  far, two  in the  House.                                                                    
There  were  changes  in Resources  Committee.    The  field                                                                    
aggregate was  changed from 100,000 acres  to 138,240 acres,                                                                    
the size of six townships.   Another change was made to Page                                                                    
3, section  4, clarifying that  if the lease payment  is not                                                                    
received  by  the due  date,  the  director would  mail  the                                                                    
leasee  one  written  notice  before   the  lease  would  be                                                                    
terminated.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Whitaker asked  if there  had been  previous                                                                    
opposition voiced to the bill.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Peterson replied that there  has not been any opposition                                                                    
to the  bill.   The industry and  the Administration  are in                                                                    
favor of  it.  He added  that the sponsor is  opposed to any                                                                    
further amendments.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Mulder  asked  how many  anticipated  shallow  gas                                                                    
projects  would  be coming  on  line  and producing  benefit                                                                    
throughout the communities.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Peterson  responded that  there are  none at  this time,                                                                    
however, there continues to be interest expressed.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MARK  MEYER,   (TESTIFIED  VIA   TELECONFERENCE),  DIRECTOR,                                                                    
DIVISION OF  OIL AND GAS,  DEPARTMENT OF  NATURAL RESOURCES,                                                                    
ANCHORAGE, noted that the  Administration supports the bill.                                                                    
He  added that  the changes  are important  to understanding                                                                    
that natural  gas has high  commercial potential  in Alaska.                                                                    
The terms  will bring revenue to  the State.  He  added that                                                                    
there are  more than a  million acres involved  either under                                                                    
lease or filed for in the Fairbanks and Mat-valley areas.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Meyer added that the program  has been run in the highly                                                                    
populated areas  of the State  where there is  a significant                                                                    
market for  natural gas.   The program  needs to be  run for                                                                    
commercial  operators that  need a  fairly substantial  site                                                                    
and scale  of operation to  become commercially liable.   He                                                                    
recommended that there  should be a deeper  level of federal                                                                    
management.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Meyer  recognized that  because  the  program is  being                                                                    
operated  in higher  density areas,  there  is more  surface                                                                    
conflict.   The program is  considered an "over  the counter                                                                    
filing" and is  the only oil and gas program  like it in the                                                                    
State.  He  agreed that the protection of the  bonding was a                                                                    
good  idea.   The larger  acreage is  needed for  the large-                                                                    
scale commercial production of open  methane.  He added that                                                                    
there have  been four  test wells drilled  in the  State and                                                                    
that the    operators are  still learning how to  drill coal                                                                    
beds.   The technology is  favorable for the program  to get                                                                    
the natural  gas to  the residential  communities throughout                                                                    
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Meyer  concluded that  the Department  strongly supports                                                                    
the bill  and that the  economic value of  increased revenue                                                                    
from the  $5000 dollar filing  fee is supportable.   It also                                                                    
means  that the  program  could pay  for the  administrative                                                                    
costs.   If the gas were  to be used for  rural consumption,                                                                    
it  would  have  a  lower  royalty rate.    The  program  is                                                                    
balanced  and  allows  for professional  management  of  the                                                                    
State's resources.   It  would bring  a revenue  position to                                                                    
the State Treasury.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative Foster asked about  the acreage involved with                                                                    
the fifty leases.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Meyer explained  that the million acres were  in the old                                                                    
program.  The  Department made an assumption  that a certain                                                                    
percentage of  the leases  would be  converted from  the old                                                                    
program to  the new program.   That  way there would  be the                                                                    
$4500 dollar  per lease gained  under the new program.   The                                                                    
Department  did  not  factor  in the  rental  amount.    The                                                                    
primary  justification of  the  number is  the $4500  dollar                                                                    
differential on the conversion of the leases.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
JOHN  TANIGAWA,  (TESTIFIED   VIA  TELECONFERENCE),  SPECIAL                                                                    
PROJECT  MANAGER,  EVERGREEN RESOURCES  ALASKA  CORPORATION,                                                                    
ANCHORAGE,  stated that  currently, his  company has  46,080                                                                    
acres  of  shallow  gas   lease  applications  located  near                                                                    
Willow. He testified in support of SB 319.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Tanigawa  commented that SB  319 would  remove obstacles                                                                    
to  exploring and  developing shallow  natural  gas.   These                                                                    
types  of  activities  require at  least  100,000  acres  or                                                                    
roughly 4 townships to establish  the necessary economies of                                                                    
scale for  initial development.   Due  to the  challenges of                                                                    
operating in  an artic environment, however,  increasing the                                                                    
acreage  limitation to  138,240 acres  or 6  townships would                                                                    
increase   economic  viability   of   shallow  natural   gas                                                                    
development.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Evergreen Resources  strongly supports increasing  the depth                                                                    
limitation to  one that  relies on  science and  geology for                                                                    
the  specific  play.   He  added  that  the program  is  the                                                                    
primary  reason Evergreen  stays in  Alaska.    The  changes                                                                    
proposed in  the bill would  provide the  necessary latitude                                                                    
to  operate in  an  economically  sound and  environmentally                                                                    
safe manner.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Tanigawa acknowledged  that the Division of  Oil and Gas                                                                    
has  collaborated  with them  and  other  stakeholders.   He                                                                    
added that his  business is an excellent example  of how the                                                                    
State  and the  Industry can  work together  to the  benefit                                                                    
government, industry and the public.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PAT CARTER,  MANAGER OF LAND  AND GOVERNMENT  AFFAIRS, UNION                                                                    
OIL COMPANY OF CALIFORNIA  (UNOCAL) ALASKA, ANCHORAGE, noted                                                                    
that  he was  before  the Committee  representing Unocal  on                                                                    
behalf of Kevin A. Tabler.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Carter  noted that  Unocal was  actively involved  in an                                                                    
aggressive gas  exploration program  in the Cook  Inlet area                                                                    
and   is   supportive    of   legislation   addressing   gas                                                                    
exploration.    He  added  that   the  shallow  gas  leasing                                                                    
augments  the   existing  area-wide  leasing   programs  and                                                                    
enhances access  and development of the  State's natural gas                                                                    
resources.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Carter  reiterated that Unocal  of Alaska  is supportive                                                                    
of  the program  and other  leasing programs  throughout the                                                                    
State  providing reasonable  access to  mineral wealth.   SB
319   currently   provides    for   better   administration,                                                                    
flexibility  and clarification  of the  shallow gas  leasing                                                                    
program and  that it is in  the best interest for  the State                                                                    
of Alaska                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
ERIC  YOULD,  EXECUTIVE   DIRECTOR,  ALASKA  RURAL  ELECTRIC                                                                    
COOPERATIVE ASSOCIATION  (ARECA), ANCHORAGE,  voiced support                                                                    
for  the proposed  changes.   He noted  ARECA has  a serious                                                                    
interest in  keeping the costs  of electricity low  in rural                                                                    
Alaska.   When  the shallow  gas legislation  was passed  in                                                                    
1996, ARECA was a strong supporter  of HB 394.  The focus of                                                                    
that  legislation  was  to  provide  an  alternative  energy                                                                    
resource  for  rural  Alaska.    He  pointed  out  that  the                                                                    
resource is  being developed  more in the  urban areas.   He                                                                    
acknowledged that  was appropriate  and should  be, however,                                                                    
voiced concern that some of  the measures are making it less                                                                    
economically feasible for  development in small communities,                                                                    
for which the program was envisioned.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Yould suggested  that for  communities and  villages of                                                                    
5,000 or  less, the commercial  terms should remain  as they                                                                    
are in  existing statute.   He  suggested an  amendment that                                                                    
the  filing fee  be  increased from  $500  per applicant  to                                                                    
$5,000 dollars  for those places  with over  5,000 residents                                                                    
and for the small communities,  the filing fee should remain                                                                    
at $500 dollars.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Yould pointed  out that  the proposal  for a  lease fee                                                                    
acreage base  was to be  increased from $.50 cents  per acre                                                                    
to $1  dollar per  acre.   He asked that  the lease  rate of                                                                    
$.50  cents be  maintained  for the  smaller communities  of                                                                    
less than 5,000.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Yould noted  that he  not  yet testified  in any  other                                                                    
committees because  of other commitments.   He apologized to                                                                    
the  bill sponsor.   He  stressed  that it  is important  to                                                                    
maintain the  integrity and the economic  feasibility of the                                                                    
program.   He noted  that there had  been a  suggestion that                                                                    
the permitting  time line, before the  sponsoring agency, be                                                                    
unrestricted.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Mulder  asked  how  many  projects  in  the  rural                                                                    
communities had taken advantage of the proposal.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Yould replied  that  at present  time,  none had  taken                                                                    
advantage of  it.   The reason  for that  is because  of the                                                                    
high  costs  for  hole  drilling   in  rural  Alaska,  which                                                                    
averages nearly $1  million dollars per hole.   No community                                                                    
has  the economic  ability to  come up  with that  amount of                                                                    
money.   There is an  improved technology that is  coming, a                                                                    
micro drilling,  which hopefully  can bring the  costs down.                                                                    
Additionally,  technology  is  not  currently  available  to                                                                    
fully utilize the natural gas  that already exists, which is                                                                    
a technology in fuel cells.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Mulder  suggested  that  this could  open  a  "big                                                                    
fight" for  something that is  not yet happening.   He noted                                                                    
that  the  amendment  would  then  only  exclude  Anchorage,                                                                    
Fairbanks and Juneau.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Yould  understood that the  sponsor was  concerned about                                                                    
that and  that was  why he  was recommending  $5,000 dollars                                                                    
rather than $10,000 dollars.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder  pointed out that the  proposed changes were                                                                    
coming forward late in the process.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Yould apologized and offered to work with the sponsor.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CS SB 319 (FIN) was HELD in Committee for further                                                                               
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                

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